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 Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:57 am Post subject: RE: English's Cave - oil on canvas 1840 |
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The streets have changed, etc.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:29 am Post subject: Re: RE: English's Cave - oil on canvas 1840 |
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| SubLunar wrote: | | Nods to the OP.. |
Not to be confused with the OPP.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:28 pm Post subject: RE: English's Cave - oil on canvas 1840 |
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A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:18 pm Post subject: Re: English |
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| Quote: | | Assuming the point they did the survey off of is still there and they didn't have to arbitrarily make a new one (which I've seen before), I totally agree with the possum. |
I've never seen that. I've seen other reference points then used & some were quite far away, but I've never seen a surveyor just make up their own. However my experience is based on rural surveys. In urban areas, especially old ones where some holdings may have been described in Spanish arpents and rods & chains, a more modern survey might not have much to work with. Still, they should always start off of something fixed, such as the section point, 1/4 section point, etc.
With that said, survey-attached deeds might still be a good source of the cave entrance. I'm just not sure what STL has available to the public, though. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:27 am Post subject: RE: English's Cave - oil on canvas 1840 |
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| In another issue the RFT revealed an entrance on public property. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: RE: English's Cave - oil on canvas 1840 |
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| SubLunar wrote: | | A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut. |
Ever feel like you're a character in the movie 'Dark City'.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:10 pm Post subject: RE: English's Cave - oil on canvas 1840 |
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Welcome!
And yes I've seen those too. Nothing definitive in there. |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:18 pm Post subject: Re: English |
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I assume you've seen this map? Hubert seems to be spot on with this one. Went by and there's a huge tree in the back yard.
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Problem is, we've all scoured every available real estate record or map that we could get our eyes or hands on in the past several years. There is no way to definitively pinpoint the exact entrance. There is no X marks the spot. And maps from that time don't exactly line up perfectly with the streets of today either. |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:38 pm Post subject: Re: English |
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this is nearly common knowledge, but this is a public forum sheesh wtf. ohten..
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:42 pm Post subject: Re: English |
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| redox wrote: | | this is nearly common knowledge, but this is a public forum sheesh wtf |
Yeah, that map is contemporaneous from when English was a wine cellar (after the beer garden, after the cholera interment). My hunch is that the entrance was actually filled in when they built the scraper houses up against the old wine cellar sometime in the 1950's. I guess we'll know if that tree ever goes over in a big storm. |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:45 pm Post subject: Re: English |
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| ohten wrote: | | redox wrote: | | this is nearly common knowledge, but this is a public forum sheesh wtf |
Yeah, that map is contemporaneous from when English was a wine cellar (after the beer garden, after the cholera interment). My hunch is that the entrance was actually filled in when they built the scraper houses up against the old wine cellar sometime in the 1950's. I guess we'll know if that tree ever goes over in a big storm. |
do the landowners a good turn and delete the map
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:38 pm Post subject: Re: English |
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Sorry, hadn't been on the board in a while. I see SubLunar beat me to it.
I carefully cropped out all street names and location info so I doubt anyone could have successfully used that fragment who didn't already know where it was. Not that anyone'd be able to get in that way without a bulldozer.
| redox wrote: | | ohten wrote: | | redox wrote: | | this is nearly common knowledge, but this is a public forum sheesh wtf |
Yeah, that map is contemporaneous from when English was a wine cellar (after the beer garden, after the cholera interment). My hunch is that the entrance was actually filled in when they built the scraper houses up against the old wine cellar sometime in the 1950's. I guess we'll know if that tree ever goes over in a big storm. |
do the landowners a good turn and delete the map |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:14 am Post subject: RE: English's Cave - oil on canvas 1840 |
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| the_p0ssum wrote: | From this RFT article:
"a tree over the entrance, which Brandt estimates is 50 years old and fifteen feet in diameter. "
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Seriously? A 15 foot wide tree? That's a typographical error. There are no trees that damn big for well over a thousand miles in any direction. I digress..sorry |
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