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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:01 pm    Post subject: English's Cave - oil on canvas 1840 Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:25 pm    Post subject: RE: English's Cave - oil on canvas 1840 Reply with quote

Holy crap nice find!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:40 pm    Post subject: Re: English Reply with quote

Yeah I'm confused
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:39 pm    Post subject: Re: English Reply with quote

because all the men are walking like they are gay?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:25 pm    Post subject: Re: English Reply with quote

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because all the men are walking like they are gay?


LOL no I'm confused because if the falgpole is the arsenal, and provided that it was painted during the afternoon, the postiton of the sun tells me the cave entrance was located north of the arsenal. The falg could be the brand new Western Brewery. In which case the position of the sun would make sense. The painting could be just romanticized making my examination of it silly.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:26 pm    Post subject: Re: English Reply with quote

Very Cool Find!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:25 pm    Post subject: RE: English's Cave - oil on canvas 1840 Reply with quote

I just found out the flagpole was actually within the beer garden. It was 98 feet tall!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:57 pm    Post subject: RE: English's Cave - oil on canvas 1840 Reply with quote

that's been hanging up in the History Museum for more than 3 years now where the hell were you guys? I'm happy someone finally digitized it - cheers Redox.

I've been told by a reliable source the flagpole might represent the old arsenal, where did you hear it was in the beer garden? To say the least that looks incredibly far away for that to be true...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:21 pm    Post subject: Re: RE: English's Cave - oil on canvas 1840 Reply with quote

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that's been hanging up in the History Museum for more than 3 years now where the hell were you guys? I'm happy someone finally digitized it - cheers Redox.

I've been told by a reliable source the flagpole might represent the old arsenal, where did you hear it was in the beer garden? To say the least that looks incredibly far away for that to be true...


Nah I thought that too at first. The flagpole at the arsenal was/is over a half mile from the center of where the McHose English beer garden existed. Considering the distance and elevation, the flagpole at the arsenal would need to be gigantic (like taller than the arch) to be looming that large in the distance. Even if the painting is romanticized, foreshortening tells us the 98 foot flagpole was not more than 1000' from the entrace to English's cave and probably on the order of 3 to 5 hundred feet. My guess is the flagpole was positioned on the eastern end of the beer garden so as to be visable to traffic on Carondelet Ave (now Broadway) and the river.


Bulletin 1971 vol. 28

"...of 4 Main Street, was employed on Saturday last to ascend a flag staff, at English's Cave, ninety-eight feet in height, for the purpose of arranging the ropes by which the flag is raised and lowered..."
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:44 pm    Post subject: Re: English Reply with quote

also this...

"St. Louis - English's Cave
Liberty Weekly Tribune. May 20, 1859, Page 2, Column 4.
Robert Humphreys climbed the 100 foot flag pole at English's Cave in St. Louis"
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:46 pm    Post subject: Re: English Reply with quote

There's a good look at the painting here
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:19 pm    Post subject: Re: English Reply with quote

Found this picture, thought it was kinda cool, looks like an entrance to English cave?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:27 pm    Post subject: Re: English Reply with quote

This one is cool as well, from inside the grotto!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:28 pm    Post subject: Re: English Reply with quote

sorry

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:29 pm    Post subject: Re: English Reply with quote

Cool finds!
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