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[Nicotti]

[BROUSER]

Ah, that explains a lot of the cruelty in the world. It doesn't matter what you do, as long as you believe you are square with the Big Beardy Guy.

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[SubLunar]

[Kit]

When Jesus died on the cross and took on your sins and it basically ended the old testaments punishments rules.

[BROUSER]

Except the one about being gay, according to many.

[SubLunar]

[Kit]

Just wear a big red A on your chest.. you will be fine.

[SubLunar]

[Nicotti]

[Nicotti]

[Nicotti]

And I would also like to point out that if you believe in what the bible has to say than you should believe that God doesn't change from one testament to the next.

Personally I believe that He exists outside of time... or maybe a better way to put it is that He exists in every time at once.


Here's another in my own words example outlining my beliefs on the topic :

It's like if there were two buildings across an alley from one another. Let's say the building on the north side is time... it is full of rooms that have clear windows that look out on the alley and the building to the south. Each of those rooms is a moment in time and people in that building move linearly west to east going from one room to the next.

On the south side of the alley is the "outside of time" building. It has one long room with a north facing window. So a person in the southern building could look into any window of the northern building and see what is going on in that moment of time. That's the basic.

Here's a step further: The south building is a sphere. The north building a spiral around that sphere. And you can look through every window at once. Now you are all seeing.

Here's the next step: There isn't an alley between the buildings and the windows are open doors. It's a one way door for the people in the spiral building (assuming death is permanent and we aren't re-born). But for you (playing God in my example) in the sphere building the door is two way. So you can move in and out of time and interact with anyone at any time, but you don't have to move through the spiral building one room at a time to get to the next room in the spiral like they do.

And here's the next step: You are not a corporeal being. As such you don't have to move between the spiral and the sphere, you can expand yourself to fill everything. Now you see everything and are every where and every when at once.

And let's say that you are all powerful and therefore can turn parts of yourself into corporeal beings to interact with the people in the spiral. Cause you have no limits you could interact with anyone or everyone at any or every time. Not so hard to be a triune-God now, 3 distinct persons, but all the same God.

Now let's say that you can't be contained, that your essence can permeate any matter or energy and that your senses can perceive everything you permeate. And that you can manipulate anything that you permeate if you choose to. You can cause a rain storm in one room by moving the necessary amounts of energy or matter in different rooms before that room in the spiral.

Now lets say that you are the ward for the people in the spiral. You decide that you aren't going to manipulate the people like you can everything else, your going to let them decide what they want to do as they move through the building. You decide you would like them to be like you cause your a pretty spiffy non-corporeal being so you interact with them in multiple rooms to give them guidance to be like you. But in the end you let them choose whether or not to follow your guidance.

You decide that the people that don't want to be like you should have a place to hang out in the sphere building where you are not. So you limit yourself, you pull your essence out of an area of the sphere and create a place where those people can hang out by themselves. Since once they enter the sphere they too become non-temporal and unchanging, they can only choose whether they want to be hanging with you or not hanging out you while they are in the spiral before they enter the sphere.

Now let's say that you put the first two people in a room in that spiral and that you created them and are not just their ward, but their parent. You love them and every single one of their offspring that fill the rooms. You love the one's in the sphere, even the one's that don't hang out with you in their private room in the sphere. You don't just guide them, you parent them, you give them rules that you know will make them spiffy like you, you punish them when they need it, you encourage them when they need it, and you help them when they ask when you know that that help is in their best interests. Now you're almost who God is.

Now comes the hard part to understand and for me to explain: Everything you do, the parenting and interaction you have with your children and the creation and manipulation of the buildings and their rooms happens in an instant. It took a millisecond or a millennium or 7 days or 10 billion years to do. It took all of those and none of those, because He's not temporal. And He can't be explained in temporal terms. Things that are temporal change, things that aren't don't. And I can't explain that part any better than that because I'm temporal and I can't conceive of what it is to be non-temporal. I just don't understand it, but I get the jist of it.




And finally a related issue that I find annoying: the "catch 22 logic" that people like to use to "prove" God isn't all-powerful: Can God make a mountain that He can't move?

This isn't a catch 22...
Can God make a mountain that He can't move? Yes
Does that mean He isn't all powerful? No
Why? Because nothing limits Him, He limits His own power.

If you place a chair in your living room and say, "I am never moving that chair again," are you unable to move the chair? Of course not. Now do I conceptually understand how an unmovable mountain can be created by a being that can move everything? No, but I know it can happen.

[SubLunar]

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Some cool superconductor stuff for nerds

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