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 Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:13 pm Post subject: Titan II silo site may be for sale |
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According to a co-worker who's family owns the "Heber Springs" Titan II site, the property may be going up for sale. They used to raise cattle on it but haven't in a while.
On Goggle Earth, it looks pretty overgrown.
He remembers it took 2 years before the removal process was finished and they took possesion of the property. He knows the silo was partially imploded, filled with debris and capped.
No idea of the asking price.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: Titan II silo site may be for sale |
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| If my family owned a missile silo, it would be excavated and turned into my rumpus room. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Titan II silo site may be for sale |
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| TooMuchCoffee wrote: | According to a co-worker who's family owns the "Heber Springs" Titan II site, the property may be going up for sale. They used to raise cattle on it but haven't in a while.
On Goggle Earth, it looks pretty overgrown.
He remembers it took 2 years before the removal process was finished and they took possesion of the property. He knows the silo was partially imploded, filled with debris and capped.
No idea of the asking price. |
This may be the same one Riggz visited a while back, he'll have to confirm though..
The silo's themselves are almost always filled or destroyed, not sure about the state of the command center on this one. If I remember correctly, most of the ones in AR that are still left are flooded.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:56 am Post subject: RE: Titan II silo site may be for sale |
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I know for a fact this is not the one that was opened up. This one, the land was used for cattle grazing. It's currently overgrown as the family stopped raising cattle the past couple of years.
My source was there when the complex was decommissioned. He said the command bubble was left in place and purposely allowed to flood.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:25 am Post subject: Re: RE: Titan II silo site may be for sale |
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| TooMuchCoffee wrote: | I know for a fact this is not the one that was opened up. This one, the land was used for cattle grazing. It's currently overgrown as the family stopped raising cattle the past couple of years.
My source was there when the complex was decommissioned. He said the command bubble was left in place and purposely allowed to flood. |
This sounds a lot like the story I heard from Riggz. To clarify, the one he visited wasn't opened up either. It was on private land owned by some farmer. I assumed some sort of grain farmer, but it it could have been a rancher - been awhile since I heard the story.
Anyway, the short of it was that the owner was frustrated at the way it was shut down because he was left in the dark on the dimensions/area of the underground structure, so he didn't want to dig to install piping or irrigation lines. All he knew was that there was a silo and where they came in and buried the entrance to the command bunker.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:24 am Post subject: RE: Titan II silo site may be for sale |
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My friend said this one had not been opened. He and his dad used to own the land then sold it to another family member.
He remembers that they filled the silo with lots of junk before capping if off.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: Titan II silo site may be for sale |
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My dream of being able to tour an intact titan II started me on the whole U.E. kick.....that dream is fading every year.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:28 am Post subject: RE: Titan II silo site may be for sale |
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There's one preserved as a museum in Arizona. As for the rest, according to what I've read and my father (who worked on the dismantling projects in AR), they were dismantled according to treaty with the USSR. The Soviets had a fear the US would secretly re-arm the silos.
In AR, they were planned to be allowed to flood with ground water. Also, according to the land titles, you weren't allowed to dig on the property.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:54 pm Post subject: RE: Titan II silo site may be for sale |
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I went to the museum silo in AZ. They also used to to film First Contact (that train wreck of a Star Trek movie) 
Later, I found an abandoned Titan II elsewhere in AZ that had been dug open. The silo was destroyed but the control dome was mostly intact (a little muddy):
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: RE: Titan II silo site may be for sale |
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| Freak wrote: | I went to the museum silo in AZ. They also used to to film First Contact (that train wreck of a Star Trek movie)
Later, I found an abandoned Titan II elsewhere in AZ that had been dug open. The silo was destroyed but the control dome was mostly intact (a little muddy):
http://drainfreak.com/df/ca05/arizona.htm |
Fucking awesome!
I love the rack of old electronics just sitting there!
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:32 pm Post subject: RE: Titan II silo site may be for sale |
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It would be interesting if this site was for sale. I know about half of the owners of the Titan II sites in Arkansas and they have previously mentioned that they weren't wanting to sell. Maybe something changed?
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| Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:55 pm Post subject: RE: Titan II silo site may be for sale |
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Site isn't for sale.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:39 am Post subject: RE: Titan II silo site may be for sale |
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New here and ran across this older thread but I thought I'd post my two cents anyway and do a little "fishing".
I've been a fan of the Titan II and Atlas F sites for many years. I've compiled a lot of data on both types over the years and grabbed just about everything available from the now defunct Siloworld website. I have both construction and de-construction prints in pdf for the LRAFB flights including the water table data that ya'll were wondering about in regards to why the flooding.
First, 373-9 Hamlet is the one being dug up, but they haven't made much progress at last look. They've uncovered the entrance facility top (blown off), but that's about where it seems to end.
The Heber Springs site 373-3 is a (THE) prime candidate for my future business project (secure data storage facility) due to it's location and the geological conditions of the area. One of very, very few (3) that could be used. I'd appreciate any details anyone might have about the site and surround properties. It may not be for sale now, but hopefully the right price would be a mind changer.
BTW, techbastard.com has some really good data also, if you haven't found it already. Also, Jim Kirkpatrick's at http://asuwlink.uwyo.edu/~jimkirk/sites.html
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: RE: Titan II silo site may be for sale |
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| fishmantx wrote: | New here and ran across this older thread but I thought I'd post my two cents anyway and do a little "fishing".
I've been a fan of the Titan II and Atlas F sites for many years. I've compiled a lot of data on both types over the years and grabbed just about everything available from the now defunct Siloworld website. I have both construction and de-construction prints in pdf for the LRAFB flights including the water table data that ya'll were wondering about in regards to why the flooding.
First, 373-9 Hamlet is the one being dug up, but they haven't made much progress at last look. They've uncovered the entrance facility top (blown off), but that's about where it seems to end.
The Heber Springs site 373-3 is a (THE) prime candidate for my future business project (secure data storage facility) due to it's location and the geological conditions of the area. One of very, very few (3) that could be used. I'd appreciate any details anyone might have about the site and surround properties. It may not be for sale now, but hopefully the right price would be a mind changer.
BTW, techbastard.com has some really good data also, if you haven't found it already. Also, Jim Kirkpatrick's at http://asuwlink.uwyo.edu/~jimkirk/sites.html
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Regarding the Hamlet site, what else would you expect to see except the access portal being dug up?
Also, the Heber site isn't for sale as is. Not so say that a few million wouldn't buy it but anything reasonable (<$350,000) and they wouldn't take it.
Besides the fact that it is really beautiful, why the Heber site? Even though it is higher I can almost guarantee that it's full of water. Water shouldn't bother you with your endeavors. Once the water is out you have a great facility. The sites had to run sump pumps when they were active. It's a part of owning something that is 150' underground.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:45 am Post subject: Re: RE: Titan II silo site may be for sale |
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| GTHill wrote: | | fishmantx wrote: | New here and ran across this older thread but I thought I'd post my two cents anyway and do a little "fishing".
I've been a fan of the Titan II and Atlas F sites for many years. I've compiled a lot of data on both types over the years and grabbed just about everything available from the now defunct Siloworld website. I have both construction and de-construction prints in pdf for the LRAFB flights including the water table data that ya'll were wondering about in regards to why the flooding.
First, 373-9 Hamlet is the one being dug up, but they haven't made much progress at last look. They've uncovered the entrance facility top (blown off), but that's about where it seems to end.
The Heber Springs site 373-3 is a (THE) prime candidate for my future business project (secure data storage facility) due to it's location and the geological conditions of the area. One of very, very few (3) that could be used. I'd appreciate any details anyone might have about the site and surround properties. It may not be for sale now, but hopefully the right price would be a mind changer.
BTW, techbastard.com has some really good data also, if you haven't found it already. Also, Jim Kirkpatrick's at http://asuwlink.uwyo.edu/~jimkirk/sites.html
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Regarding the Hamlet site, what else would you expect to see except the access portal being dug up?
Also, the Heber site isn't for sale as is. Not so say that a few million wouldn't buy it but anything reasonable (<$350,000) and they wouldn't take it.
Besides the fact that it is really beautiful, why the Heber site? Even though it is higher I can almost guarantee that it's full of water. Water shouldn't bother you with your endeavors. Once the water is out you have a great facility. The sites had to run sump pumps when they were active. It's a part of owning something that is 150' underground.
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Why Heber?
The fact that the water tabel is -38' below the 275-6' benchmark which indicates, if flooded internally, it's from top-down seepage that once pumped out, repaired, and sealed will stay dry with minimal sumping. This is the critical factor in site selection. The 275-6' benchmark is about 3 feet above the floor of the entrance facility but was specified for measurement of the top of the launch duct in the silo. This line was used as a refernce for the water table data. Of course, the corings were done in 1960, but I doubt it's changed all that much. It will need to be re-verified. Also, isolation and "environmental screening/camoflage" are important. Most sites have few trees and/or adjacent plowed fields. Construction and renovation would be highly visible. Not a desirable factor.
Regarding "availability", a lot of folks don't or won't sell because they are using it for grazing or what-have-you and want to continue using it OR they're afraid of what's going to be built and encroach on their "view"/environment; ex. large buildings, oil wells, increased traffic. Anything that disturbs their peace. All of these aspects have contractural solutions and/or contingencies; i.e. rights granted to the previous owner for continuing use of the property, etc.. When all is completed the facility will not appear as anything unusual, just a house and a couple of sheds, grazing cattle. No high fences, just 4-strand barbed wire with cattle gates, nothing that would indicate a functional underground facility.
Money is not a problem, but unrealistic pricing is. There's always a middle ground somewhere. A project of this magnitude must take the local concerns into consideration and work to minimize the impact to the surrounding community. The amount of money that would be injected into the local economy would be very substancial, but without local cooperation, the point is moot.
When I was in the Army, I did some time in a Combat Engineering unit. Immediately afterwards, I spent the next 12 years in the Air Force in an EI (Engineering/Installation) squadron, so this is right up my alley. Definitely not your run-of-the-mill lookey-loo. We have the where-with-all and the financial backing. The reason I came here was potential local knowledge of the site, owners, etc. Real estate attorneys doing research on local owners of 18 sites (LRAFB) Titan 2 sites and 15 Atlas F (Altus and Schilling) cost too much and take too much time. I have already put boots on the ground and personally visited all of the Altus Atlas sites. Only one or two are viable, but Atlas is not my preferred facility due to available workable space and site layout. I'm still doing the legwork on the LRAFB Titans and not ready to go "walkabout" yet.
BTW, does anyone know what that cleared area SW of the Heber site is? It appears to resemble a drilling pad for a well...and that would NOT be good...
Re: Hamlet
Considering it's been like that a couple years, I figured they'd have pumped it out by now. But many times people badly underestimate the cost of a project in money and effort until they've run the bank dry with little or no progress.
Nothing unusual there...
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