New Video of Lemp Cave Exploration

[Chubz]

https://youtu.be/AqxYfqLTG6g

[mindwaave]

Thanks for sharing. Crazy how different things have become...

[SubLunar]

It's really hard for me to accept the removal of "Fight Club Status" from Lemp. Even after it was sealed up/alarmed/etc back in ~2009 when the haunted house moved in and cut off access. I still held onto hopes and dreams. We didn't talk about Lemp. To anyone. But I guess there's nothing left to hide at this point.

Sigh.

[SubLunar]

Allow me also to take this opportunity to finally say in public: that "trickeykegstand" guy can eat shit. For publicly posting stuff about sneaking into Lemp back when it was doable and risking it all, refusing to take it down, not knowing shit about fuck but still feeling entitled to discuss these sensitive matters and selling out these locations for a few extra clicks to his website. You're a selfish twat and I fart in your general direction.

[SubLunar]

ok. I feel better now. lol

[Whitepanther]

https://youtu.be/AqxYfqLTG6g

Not trying to sit here and act all tough. Truth is I don’t have the heart to click it. I’m aware of the YT channel and it stings to see a gimmicky west coast sensation blow into town and lecture me about Lemp/Cherokee too much to go there bc we don’t know each other like that. Conversely I suppose I got a small peek into one of the many sites that likely pains SubLunar here around town on any given day.

PS-The tricky keg stands thing referenced is one of the craziest stories I ever heard.

[Chubz]

i still haven't watched the full video yet, but i plan on it soon.

ok. I feel better now. lol

were you withholding the footage + pics just to help keep people out? granted i started exploring right around when you say it got locked up in 2009 so i never got to see it, but my assumption after that was that you couldn't get in even if you tried.

the most i did there was during a NYE 2016 party inside building 12, i stumbled on a hatch the led to a staircase going down (i assume it was the first sub-basement). i wasn't prepared for the water that greeted me below and i also figured it wasn't a cave entrance, from what I had heard about the fortifications.

PS-The tricky keg stands thing referenced is one of the craziest stories I ever heard.

i had never heard of this story or webpage before now. is that the group that got the police escort back to the surface? or was that story from someone on this forum...it's been a while since i have read it.

[SubLunar]

granted i started exploring right around when you say it got locked up in 2009 so i never got to see it, but my assumption after that was that you couldn't get in even if you tried.

The haunted house moving in is what really did it in. They are positioned in a key part of the complex. And they installed a bunch of motion sensors and alarms and before long, there were night vision cameras and shit all over the place. Fast police response, too, from what I heard from comrades who tried after I already knew it was too late. Now.. I could add some asterisks and background information here but that would reveal more than necessary and not change the moral of the story so this is the short/sweet version.

Suffice it to say: if it was still doable I wouldn't be talking about it.

But... with the kinds of shit on instagram/tiktok these days it wouldn't "still be doable" anyway because everyone would be breaking in, immediately putting it on blast publicly and getting it sealed up even harder. So.. at this point I'm kinda glad the haunted house moved in and sealed it up before it got destroyed by vandals. I just wish the haunted house happened like a year or two later just so we could have had more time running around exploring everything.

were you withholding the footage + pics just to help keep people out?

Heh.. I actually removed that part of my rant just because it probably made me sound like a self-important douche. To be clear, I don't think so highly of myself that my having tons of photos of Lemp/HD cave footage made me special. It was more the fact that I had acquired all this footage etc but refrained from posting it anywhere out of respect for Lemp itself. I've been sitting on that stuff for like 15 years now.

Yeah, there's certain subjects that I/we won't discuss publicly or at least give any specifics on and Lemp was #1 on that list. The secrecy with which we hold certain locations is entirely for the purpose of keeping the general public from finding out and fucking it up. I'm actually pretty chill and open about stuff despite how I come across sometimes. I'll share just about everything with people who can be trusted not to abuse the information/whore out locations for clout.

The general public are, well, in general, ...a bunch of selfish assholes who don't give a fuck what happens to a location as long as they get to see it/get their 15 minutes of glory. It sucks. People ain't got no respect for cool old shit, especially if it'll earn them a brief moment in the spotlight.

During the glory days of exploring Lemp, people were constantly fucking shit up to get inside. And most of these fucking idiots would immediately brag about it as publicly as possible online AND post the entrance they used. You generally couldn't talk anyone into removing the entrance photos/information let alone their whole stupid post. Even making suggestions to that end would invariably end up with that person cussing you out and wanting to fight about it. Fucking insufferable twats. Lemp management was on top of that shit and would immediately seal up whatever was posted publicly and go as far as threatening people online. One guy was cool, though: Ohten or "oh-ten" maybe. He had a big-ass post he made on Lemp on a popular forum but took the whole thing down when I explained the situation to him. Kudos to that guy.

After the first couple incidents of an entrance getting compromised by some glory-seeking fart bags and having to put in work to find a replacement, it became my personal mission to maintain at least 3 separate discreet entrances to the complex so that we could count on having at least one usable way in by the time we went back. And I was successful. Even after the cave was sealed up, it took a while before my last way in was finally secured and that only happened because the previously empty building became rented out and they did a ton of renovation work on it.

Myself and my comrades never left evidence behind and never posted our exploits anywhere public. We never caused maintenance any headaches or any reason to suspect they were breached. I recently counted my photo albums of Lemp and just counting the trips where I took photos, I explored Lemp 14 separate times. That doesn't count reconnaissance, casual strolls around the complex just to admire it, etc. We even got into the haunted house and posed with various props back when they first moved in. Nobody ever knew because we handle this kind of business properly, like professionals.

Meanwhile idiots would leave beer bottles and other trash and obvious signs of crime behind everywhere in the most obvious spots. I would do what I could to clean up/cover up their tracks but sometimes their bullshit got out of hand and I didn't want to go anywhere near it for fear of being blamed for it. Careless assholes are annoying and exhausting.

PS-The tricky keg stands thing referenced is one of the craziest stories I ever heard.

i had never heard of this story or webpage before now. is that the group that got the police escort back to the surface? or was that story from someone on this forum...it's been a while since i have read it.

haha... well. No. The trickeykegstands guy is just some tool who wrote a few posts on his site wherein he went into way too much detail publicly discussing sensitive locations. And then some idiots invited him to go explore Lemp and naturally he blew his load all over his dumb website about it afterwards. He also confused Cherokee Brewery with Lemp/Cherokee and just overall didn't know WTF he was talking about but still felt the need to flap his lips and whore out these sensitive locations for the glory of internet traffic.

The "police escort" situation was.. a "legitimate tour" that myself and some other people went on. We all thought we had permission. The tour was posted on a local university's official message board. We met in the parking lot, in full view, not hiding or sneaking around at all and soon it went off the rails.. But I'll avoid rehashing details of that story for now besides I think it's on here somewhere already.

[Chubz]

Heh.. I actually removed that part of my rant just because it probably made me sound like a self-important douche.

yeah, i read your original reply and came back a few days later with the response without even realizing you removed the rant

all of that makes sense. now that the cat is out of the bag would you consider/do you plan on sharing the non-sensitive stuff you've got? it sucks these people were the ones to blow it up on youtube over a decade after it all went quiet, but there is just so little modern info out there that it would be really great to see what you've documented.

[Nicotti]

I ... sound like a self-important douche.

Yeah, there's certain subjects that I/we won't discuss publicly or at least give any specifics on and Lemp was #1 on that list. The secrecy with which we hold certain locations is entirely for the purpose of keeping the general public from finding out and fucking it up. I'm actually pretty chill and open about stuff despite how I come across sometimes. I'll share just about everything with people who can be trusted not to abuse the information/whore out locations for clout.

The general public are, well, in general, ...a bunch of selfish assholes who don't give a fuck what happens to a location as long as they get to see it/get their 15 minutes of glory. It sucks. People ain't got no respect for cool old shit, especially if it'll earn them a brief moment in the spotlight.

This is the kind of thought/modus operandi that peeps on here get pissy about in regards to cave grottos.

Not that I don't agree with you 100%. I do.

Just pointing out the difference in perspective from the outside versus the in group.

[SubLunar]

Heh.. I actually removed that part of my rant just because it probably made me sound like a self-important douche.

yeah, i read your original reply and came back a few days later with the response without even realizing you removed the rant

all of that makes sense. now that the cat is out of the bag would you consider/do you plan on sharing the non-sensitive stuff you've got? it sucks these people were the ones to blow it up on youtube over a decade after it all went quiet, but there is just so little modern info out there that it would be really great to see what you've documented.

I mean it's blown already by the fact that it's not doable anymore so I'm not saying these youtubers are doing anything "wrong" by just being some excited eccentric personalities who got to visit a cool location. Good for them.

What grinds my gears about their video is just the narrator's apparent complete lack of familiarity with Lemp at the very least. Dude was blabbering on about shit like vampires. Seemed like they just found out about this place and thought they'd do a video on it.

As someone who has been fucking obsessed with Lemp for a long time, I just think it deserves a little more effort/respect than they managed to scrounge together for that vid.

It also feels weird for me to see it represented so publicly after all these years of not talking about it, but I guess that time has come.

[SubLunar]

I ... sound like a self-important douche.

Yeah, there's certain subjects that I/we won't discuss publicly or at least give any specifics on and Lemp was #1 on that list. The secrecy with which we hold certain locations is entirely for the purpose of keeping the general public from finding out and fucking it up. I'm actually pretty chill and open about stuff despite how I come across sometimes. I'll share just about everything with people who can be trusted not to abuse the information/whore out locations for clout.

The general public are, well, in general, ...a bunch of selfish assholes who don't give a fuck what happens to a location as long as they get to see it/get their 15 minutes of glory. It sucks. People ain't got no respect for cool old shit, especially if it'll earn them a brief moment in the spotlight.

This is the kind of thought/modus operandi that peeps on here get pissy about in regards to cave grottos.

Not that I don't agree with you 100%. I do.

Just pointing out the difference in perspective from the outside versus the in group.

You are completely right. And grotto dudes are justified in being protective. I don't find any fault there.

The difference, IMO, is that it really doesn't take much to earn a decent amount of respect/trust among myself and my comrades. Just show you're interested in contributing to new locations/doing research, show that you are passionate about cool old shit and don't be a fucking selfish twat. And this doesn't just go for my immediate circle, this is like in all of exploring. Yeah, some locations are more closely guarded but it's still a "brotherhood" or whatever other word you want to substitute for a group that shows appreciation to each other by contributing to common goals,researching and discovering history and earning each other's trust in the process.

My comrade and I's work on getting into Lemp is how I ended up meeting WR and the gang. And boom, just like that I was part of a kickass group of like-minded individuals working towards a common goal, completely motivated by passion alone. Zero self-promotion/publicity involved.

I/we've since put in a lot of other work.

I've tried speaking to grotto dudes and none of them have ever given a flying fuck about anything I have to say in regards to these topics. They have all been way above me. In my experience, it's been mostly rude and stuffy uptight boomer types. I've shared photos and information with.. one of the more recognizable/notable such dudes. I won't identify this guy, but I will say he is much cooler/nicer/younger/more relatable than the aforementioned grotto dudes. Still. As nice as he was, he, too, couldn't fucking care less. Barely willing to give me the time of day. As one of my credentials which I shared with them, I have a handwritten letter from BOTH Hubert and Charlotte Rother congratulating me/us on our discovery. This indifference has been my experience whether they knew who I was (sublunar) or not.

The main thing is that I don't care about joining their club and kissing ass to see stuff. At the same time, though, I'd join if it was a mutually beneficial membership. I've mainly just tried to talk to them to loosely collaborate/find out if I'm wasting my time re-treading the same ground they've already researched/done. That's seriously 100% of my motivation for ever trying to talk to them; to avoid unnecessary time and risk on chasing dead ends/going down the wrong rabbit hole. But most questions go unanswered. The ones that do get answered often aren't definitive. Particularly the MOST IMPORTANT ONE for which I've sought answers, the answer I got from the upper echelons of the elite grotto dudes was essentially "it was so long ago that my memory is fuzzy and I can't say for sure". BLAARGH

So yeah. I don't know whose pickle you gotta tickle to earn the right to even attempt to contribute to certain topics/areas of underground research under the divine auspices of local grotto clubs but if you won't show me a smidge of respect in a private conversation for all the credentials/information I can present on these topics then that's just like really fucking lame, man. Real fucking lame, especially when I couldn't be more respectful, etc. I stay in my lane, stay on topic, provide evidence of my work and.. nada. Here I am a hard working contributing dude willing to LITERALLY WADE THROUGH RIVERS OF SHIT just to find a naturally occurring muddy hole. On top of ALL THAT, I've never once blown my load on these locations. Search my blog or posts on any forum, ever and you won't find the locations I'm referring to posted anywhere. I've proven that I can be trusted to not blow a location. I live by the motto "leave nothing but footprints, take nothing but pictures". But ain't nothing good enough if you ain't in the grotto.

This is not me saying "fuck grotto dudes". I am not butthurt, I don't hate them or anything like that. I have no beef. I respect the work they do and their dedication to discretion and filtering out unworthy slobs like myself. I'm just saying I don't know what the fuck you gotta do to get them to talk to you about this topic. In my experience, all the above just ain't enough.